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| jacktt |
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Looking to purchase Goldmine 6 Licence codes. I would appreciate any leads or ideas.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 2:31 pm |
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| Deborah |
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| I wonder why? That software is 6 years old and comparable to wanting to install Windows 98 now....in my opinion. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:22 pm |
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| Paul Laufer |
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GoldMine 6.7 dBase is sooo much faster on a laptop than 8.5.2.8 and MSSQL 2008. A better analogy than Windows98 may be WindowsXP, which is ten years old, but still beloved by many.
I've got clients still running GoldMine 4.  |
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| Re: Wanting to purchase Goldmine 6 Licences | |
| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:18 pm |
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| jacktt wrote: |
Looking to purchase Goldmine 6 Licence codes. I would appreciate any leads or ideas.
Thanks in advance[/b] |
No longer sold and certainly no longer supported. Not sure why you would want to run it... will not run on Vista or Win7, doesn't work with IE7 or IE8 (very well), will never be updated.
GoldMine Premium Edition v8.5.2.9 w/Microsoft SQL Server 2008 is your best GoldMine right now. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:20 pm |
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| Paul Laufer wrote: |
GoldMine 6.7 dBase is sooo much faster on a laptop than 8.5.2.8 and MSSQL 2008. A better analogy than Windows98 may be WindowsXP, which is ten years old, but still beloved by many.
I've got clients still running GoldMine 4. |
How much memory do you have running on that "laptop"? You know, SQL will take all the memory in the machine. You need to limit the amount SQL has access to.
Have you tried Windows 7... mine runs like a watch!
Not quite sure how you can run your business on a 10 yr old GoldMine, but i guess people do it. The Tabbed interface is reason enough to upgrade. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:09 pm |
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| automationstation wrote: |
How much memory do you have running on that "laptop"? You know, SQL will take all the memory in the machine. You need to limit the amount SQL has access to.
Have you tried Windows 7... mine runs like a watch!
Not quite sure how you can run your business on a 10 yr old GoldMine, but i guess people do it. The Tabbed interface is reason enough to upgrade. |
I do it the same way we did it 10 years ago.  The tabbed interface has some good points, but for many types of activities it's a massive waste of real estate, particularly on a very large wide-screen monitor.
I operate more than one business on multiple networks, running GM 6.7 dBase through 8.5. The laptop in question is Win-7/64 with 4 gigs, and a couple of them are unused.
Here's an experiment to try which will show you what I mean. It can be on any SQL GoldMine, not just a stand-alone. Highlight the history tab on any contact. Then go to the "Activity List" and click back and forth between different activities. If your contact window is syncing with the activity window, and if your contact history tab is returning LOTS of history (yes, I know it's a setting) then it can take 5 seconds or more to refresh the screen every time you click on a new activity. Most of our "regular" customer records have several thousand history records each. I find the slowness to be frustrating at times.
I understand it's the nature of the beast, and there's good points about it. But dBase is and always will be faster in such a scenario. It's the size limits of dbase files that killed dBase GoldMine. But for those who still have shops that run it, it does what it does, and it does it fairly well. |
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Paul Id say youll struggle to find license for dBase at this stage. There might be a few floating around, but its been a few years now since they were on sale, so Id imagine they are few and far between.
As for dBase vs SQL; dBase may be slightly quicker in certain circumstances (this is by no means a general case) but when it comes to reliability and scalability then there is no contest; SQL Server is by a country mile the better backend! Plus SQL does not require the BDE, which was the cause of many support issues on dBase systems.
For the issue of performance in the history tab; for PE how many history items is GoldMine set to retrieve? Has the default of 2000 been overriden? If you set this number too high then you will see performance issues on the history tab, especially for records with a lot of history data. I would never recommend setting this above 2000. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:48 am |
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| Just a little clarification...While MSSQL does not require the BDE, all versions of GoldMine prior to 7 do require it, including those using MSSQL as the backend. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:22 am |
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| Youre absolutely right Bob; all versions of GoldMine from 6.7 back use the BDE. My mistake! |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:55 am |
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To those of you wondering (@Deborah, @automationstation)- we are still using version 6 because a simple cost/benefit analysis doesn't support the cost of an upgrade to the SQL based Goldmine (let alone the additional yearly costs which we currently do not incur). In terms of reliability and scalability, SQL is the hands down winner. That being said, the data repository system we've implemented while using GM 6.0 is capable of preventing data loss in the event of a database failure.
@Deborah - There is no comparison to my question and your example of wanting to install Windows 98 today. There is a significant difference between the administration of a 6 y/o CRM tool that uses an active database type and a Windows OS that is no longer supported.
I will assume by the course of the forum topic that there are no further suggestions? |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:08 pm |
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| ronanc wrote: |
As for dBase vs SQL; dBase may be slightly quicker in certain circumstances (this is by no means a general case) but when it comes to reliability and scalability then there is no contest; SQL Server is by a country mile the better backend! Plus SQL does not require the BDE, which was the cause of many support issues on dBase systems.
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*Way* quicker in a certain few circumstances, and way slower in others. For instance, on a databse with 100k records, where 99k of them have the same value in KEY1. Double click on KEY1, type the value that matches what's in the 99k records. Press enter, and then page down. dBase is instant, SQL is molasses. Of course I could find as many or more situations where SQL is 10x faster. They each have their own beauty.
I'm one of those oddballs who liked the BDE. But I've always had good luck with it. Wasn't it GM4 that ushered in the BDE? GMDOS was Clipper, GM2.x Windows used Codebase, I can't remember what GM 3.x used.. I think Codebase also.
I have the systems side by side to compare, GM 6.7 and 8.5, and the 6.7 is more stable, for me. That has nothing to do really with the back end, it's the program itself. I've managed to crash 8.5 at least once per week, while 6.7 crashes very seldom, and usually that's my fault because I'm downloading an email with a massive attachment and I forget to be there when the download is done, and there's a filename collision. If GoldMine sits at that (file name collision) prompt for long enough it'll die.
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For the issue of performance in the history tab; for PE how many history items is GoldMine set to retrieve? Has the default of 2000 been overriden? If you set this number too high then you will see performance issues on the history tab, especially for records with a lot of history data. I would never recommend setting this above 2000. |
I believe I reduced mine to 200 because the delay was bugging me. If it's not instant it's just not right.
Now I've had enough clients come to me with 2 gig mailbox.dbt files to know that your words are mostly true about scalability and reliability. SQL is a beautiful system. Heck I remember clients who reached 32 MEGS on their CONTACT1.DBT file and it was blowing up until GoldMine updated to a newer version of Codebase. Nobody ever thought a file would reach 32 megs. GoldBox had a similar problem with 32 meg DBT's. I think it was the Grumpfish driver for Clipper that saved Dave's bacon at the time.
Soon enough we'll all be finding out what it's like to hit 4 gigs in MSSQL Express. I've not done that yet, but I know it's coming.
Anyway, there's a certain beauty to GoldMine 6.7 that I like. And on a huuuuuge wide screen monitor, I think it's a more efficient layout than the tabbed interface of 8.5. Oh well, I'd better go or I'll start waxing nostalgic again. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:11 pm |
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| jacktt wrote: |
To those of you wondering (@Deborah, @automationstation)- we are still using version 6 because a simple cost/benefit analysis doesn't support the cost of an upgrade to the SQL based Goldmine (let alone the additional yearly costs which we currently do not incur). In terms of reliability and scalability, SQL is the hands down winner. That being said, the data repository system we've implemented while using GM 6.0 is capable of preventing data loss in the event of a database failure.
@Deborah - There is no comparison to my question and your example of wanting to install Windows 98 today. There is a significant difference between the administration of a 6 y/o CRM tool that uses an active database type and a Windows OS that is no longer supported.
I will assume by the course of the forum topic that there are no further suggestions? |
Try eBay. I see 4 hits on there for GoldMine 6.7. |
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| GoldMine 6 licenses | |
| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:21 am |
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| What is your specific (full) version of GM 6 and how many licenses do you need? |
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